I am becoming more and more convinced that coffee shops are the new mission frontier.  I stopped at Beans ‘n’ Creme in Sun Prairie this morning for my usual fix (nothing fancy, just plain old coffee…) and I saw a group of men all with their Bibles open having a rather animated conversation.  They were talking about the new PBS series, God in America, that premiered last night (and that I intended to plug on my blog BEFORE it aired, but I got busy and forgot…).  This brought to mind the number of posters, emails, and invites I have seen the past two weeks for viewing parties.  What is striking is that all the invitations I have seen or received have been from Lutherans, Catholics, ecumenical groups or campus ministries.  Not one viewing party that I am aware of was United Methodist.  I find this interesting and a little sad, because almost every other mainline church in our state has been promoting the series.  Hmmm…..

One of the men in the discussion group who knows me and knows that I am a UM clergyman, waved me over and said, “We have a quick question we’ve been arguing about:  do you have to go to church to be a Christian?”  Quick question indeed!  I realize they wanted a “yes” or “no,” but any of you who have read my blogs know that I can never answer a question simply.  It’s not in my nature.  My Socratic side kicked in and I answered their question with a question: “Depends.  How do you define church?”  Most there were thinking of the steepled building in their neighborhood where people congregate occasionally to sing songs, hear a sermon, toss a few bucks in a bowl, then exit to head home for the Packers game.  I pushed back:  “if your question is really ‘do we need other people in order to be Christian?’ I would answer ‘yes.’  I don’t believe that Judaism or Christianity were ever intended to be personal and private experiences of God for the individual.  Our faith is a shared faith that shapes and equips us to be in service to others.  This is impossible to achieve in isolation.”  You would have thought I spit my coffee on them.  Four of them started talking at once about how they are good Christians and that they don’t need a church or other people to be faithful and that I’m biased because I work for the church.  One man, red in the face, said, “I pray, I read the Bible, I’m kind to others — I think it is a complete waste of time to go to church!”  I replied, “So, what are you doing here?”  He looked confused, looked at his friends and the Bibles open before each of them and said, “This isn’t church!”

I walked outside and noticed two men — one middle-aged and looking very dirty and tattered, and one twenty-something — also looking dirty and tattered, but intentionally so.  The older of the two had approached the younger of the two for money.  The younger man said he wouldn’t give him money, but he would take him to the diner and buy him breakfast.  The older man brightened up and agreed, and as they walked away I heard the young guy say, “Do you believe in God?”  He said it so openly and casually that it startled me.  I was in the presence of a true evangelist in the Jamesian tradition!  The second thought that struck me is “I can’t think of more than a handful of people active in our churches today who would be ready and willing to do what that young man just did.”

I opened my email upon reaching work and had my heart strangely broken (rather than warmed).  Two weeks ago I posted a blog, Make-No-Wave United Methodist Church, that generated over 100 comments.  The premise was a young pastor asking three questions — what is the church, what is the church for, and what do our membership vows really mean?  He suggested that the church could be better and do better.  The laity leadership of his church and his district superintendent told him to back off and not push people to grow in their faith.  People come to church to be loved and cared for, and we should simply leave them alone.  The comments were fairly evenly divided between those who sided with the young pastor and those who sided with the church leaders and DS.  However one casualty of the debate emerged to share with me this morning:

I’ve had it.  The system wins.  The powers and principalities are stronger than my faith.  I am done.  I am leaving the ministry.  At least the ordained ministry.  I have got to get out of this rotten system so that I can actually serve God and do God’s will.  I took your article (Make-No-Wave) to my church council to talk about “those” churches dying of low expectations and no vision and apathy and complacency and how glad I am that we aren’t one of those churches.  And you know what they said?  They don’t want to be pushed.  They do just want to be loved.  They really don’t care what is happening in the rest of the world.  The rest of the world is what they are trying to escape by coming to church.  They hate it when I “make them feel guilty” that they aren’t doing more.  They put up with me.  They tolerate all my “motivational clap-trap,” as one council member so kindly put it, because they know they don’t have to do anything they don’t want to, so they can ignore it.  One person did say that it was fine for me to do these ministries, and that if others wanted to do them that was fine, but they resented me trying to impose my standards and expectations on them.  I can’t do this anymore.  I’m not blaming you.  Your article didn’t make this happen.  It just uncovered what I have been in denial about for a long, long time.  The church is dead but just hasn’t had the good grace to lie down.  It stinks to high heaven, but we pretend it’s roses instead of naming what it really is.  $#!&.  I am totally fed up trying to talk people into wanting to be Christian.  I cannot believe this is what God called me to.

I haven’t responded yet, other than to ask if I could share this person’s frustration publicly.  The person gave me permission, saying it wasn’t going to be any big secret — the gears are already in motion.  It made me very sad.  What do we really have that we are calling church?  Are low expectations, apathy, complacency, squabbling, building buildings, paving parking lots, paying bills, and puttin’ on a show a couple times a week what we’re about?  Is it really a bad thing to encourage and challenge people to be better and to actually live and practice a faith rather than just hear and think about it?  Truly, as The United Methodist Church what do we believe God is calling us to do and be?  Maybe our next multi-million dollar marketing campaign will tell us…

22 responses to “Random Thoughts”

  1. Zuhleika Avatar
    Zuhleika

    I have been disturbed by the “feel good” theology that is prevelant with televangelists. Tell that pastor I’d love to have him at my church. I just recently asked my pastor to challenge the congregation from the pulpit. How else can we continue our journey as disciples?

    As to UMCs it seems as too many people have no clue what the early Methodists were all about. We need to do more educating of our congregations of what Methodism is all about – and isn’t sitting back and enjoying a sermon that makes you feel good about yourself!

  2. dave werner Avatar
    dave werner

    This might be off-topic…

    One of my bad habits is starting books and not finishing them. I’m hoping that retirement will help me change this long-standing pattern. I’ve just started Barbara Brown Taylor’s AN ALTAR IN THE WORLD (HarperOne, 2009), and I INTEND to finish it!

    In her Introduction she writes “What is saving my life now is becoming more fully human, trusting that there is no way to God apart from real life in the real world.” (p. xvii) Again, I think retirement helps me with taking a step or more back from life in the institutional church to look at “things” from different perspectives.

    She writes with wonderful imagery! Referring back to the Jacob’s ladder story in Genesis, she speaks of “one more patch of ordinary earth with ladder marks on it” (p. 15) and then this: “Earth is so thick with divine possibility that it is a wonder we can walk anywhere without cracking our shins on altars.” (p. 15) Walking around the neighborhood with a camera only emphasizes this felt truth for me, as there is so much that evokes that understanding that God is present.

    Worship ISTM has to stimulate that understanding. That willingness to become aware of (loving) divine presence occurs in situations other than formal worship. Often we trust the church and church building to provide these awe-full experiences, but they happen all over the place (“real life in the real world”). I know a younger person who regards “This Is My Father’s World” as his favorite hymn, but he’s not real big on formal worship or church life.

    Coffeehouse happenings may be an indication of a longing among us for a renewal of honest intentional sharing about how we might center our living in God and come to terms with God’s love for the world. But we who have made “the church” our “life” so often are–what?–blinded, maybe?–to the idea that, as Barbara Brown Taylor suggests, God does not seem to recognize a distinction between sacred and secular.

    What to do? I think all this has something to do with the new form that “church” might take, but I recognize that I am viewing this whole matter from the relative safety of retired status….

  3. Todd Anderson Avatar
    Todd Anderson

    Another proof that we need to return to our basics–and stop majoring in the minors (minors being parking lots, bricks and mortar, etc.,)

  4. Taylor Burton-Edwards Avatar

    Brad– saw that, too.

    And Dobson’s exactly right.

    To your final comment I’d add, “Neither can we speak truth to power when we THINK or ACT AS IF we are the power, still.”

    To much of our rhetoric as Christians in America from many, if not all, quarters does still seem to presume that Christians either ARE the moral voice of the nation or that we should recover that voice again as a primary vocation.

    I don’t see the 19th century revivalists– who always embedded work for social improvement into their sermons– saw their role as BEING the power of the nation, but rather living as faithful Christians. Faithful Christians feed the hungry, house the orphans, provide medical care to all, educate all, work for justice for all (especially the oppressed, including slaves and women then), etc. This wasn’t about controlling the nation. It was about themselves living faithfully as God calls.

    They maybe didn’t get everything right– but on that point, which was also the point of the early Methodists, they were spot on.

  5. Brad S Avatar

    Jerry Falwells’s former associate Ed Dobson was interviewed in the documentary and said something really simple and yet profound. When discussing religion’s (specifically Christianity’s) role in politics he said,

    “Yeah, there’s a huge danger in getting too involved in the political process. You become co-opted by the process, and you end up as a voice out of many voices at the big table. You can either be a prophet who stands on the outside of culture and argues against the injustices, or you can be the king. I don’t think you can be both.”

    We cannot speak truth to power when we are the power.

  6. ‘That’s it. I’m movin’ to Sparta’ « John Meunier Avatar

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  7. PastorM Avatar
    PastorM

    How does one get involved with such discussions in coffee shops–Len Sweet has made similar observations. Dan was fortunate that one of the men in the discussion knew him. Otherwise, would you (Dan) have “butted in” on the discussion? I too see people engaged in such studies at my favorite Starbucks, but I don’t know any of them.

    On another note about UMs, check out “The Fashionable Church” http://t.co/snltWYJ which Taylor linked to recently. The article offers reasons for UM decline with which most of us can identify.

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