I had a conversation with a friendly atheist recently that leaves me scratching my head.  The reason is that, as I have found so often to be the case, he wouldn’t play by his own rules.  This young man wanted to only address what was “provable” as true, but kept using his own personal and subjective experience as evidence in support of his “proving-a-negative” thesis (there is no God – proven by the absence of proof).  He even, at one point, said that the growing number of educated people who don’t believe in God is evidence that there is no God.  This after denying my assertion that the billions of people who believe in God gives credence to a “something” “out there” that people experience in a meaningful way.  I spoke of the great good that his been done in the name of God throughout the centuries.  He countered that the acts of humans in the name of God does not prove God’s existence, but then he proceeded to number the great atrocities done in the name of God as proof that God doesn’t exist.  I talked about the transformative encounters with the divine in every generation of human existence through recorded time, but he argued that these were mere “hiccups” in our brain chemistry, and besides even more people did not have such experiences, so based on the weight of numbers, the “proof” was against, not for — and anyway, subjective experience should not be allowed.  He told me he had prayed, and nothing had ever happened to him, which “confirmed his suspicions” that there was no God.  Apparently, only his experiments are objective.  We talked about the power of prayer.  He explained that the connection between prayer and any tangible outcome was unprovable, and besides, even if a causal connection could be proven, it would do nothing to indicate that God has anything to do with it.  I brought up the distinction between the physical and the metaphysical — the difference between proving what and how versus why, and he patiently explained that there is no why, only what and how — that why presumes a source and intention, and that is the very thing that cannot be proven.  So I asked him what evidence exists that disproves source and intention, and he scoffed that there is no evidence, therefore it is untrue.  (in his mind, you can prove a negative…).  I asked, “So if I say – if I’m lying, may God strike me dead where I stand! – and I am not struck dead, this proves there is no God?”  “Well, it certainly raises the question,” he replied.

I have read Dawkins.  I have read Hitchens.  I have read Harris.  It always perplexes me the double standards they employ to make their points, tossing out scientific method or journalistic integrity in order to make their points.  They resort to the very kind of “sloppy” thinking they attack.  They twist and misuse “evidence” to make subjective and conditional points.  They state as “truth” that which they feel no responsibility to “prove.”  They won’t engage in any kind of philosophical inquiry — they only want “scientific” debate, defined by their own personal set of rules.  Consistently, the rely on irrational approaches to attack the irrationality of religious belief.

The saddest thing to me is that they make some excellent points.  They go after the “low-hanging fruit” of religious hypocrisy, fanaticism, duplicity, materialism, corrupted values, poor scriptural interpretation and application, and human fallibility and shine the light of reason on our many foibles and failings.  They document the one-thousand-and-one-ways that imperfect humans live out imperfect faith.  Then they make the spurious leap that our inadequacies prove the absence of a divine creator God.  They gleefully pick apart the ignorant creationist views of a lunatic fringe of Christianity — apply it to the entire theological spectrum — and use the flawed arguments of flawed people to show that a “perfect God” would not allow such idiocy (therefore, there is no God…).  They will only engage in a discussion of the grand-old-white-guy-in-the-clouds-with-a-flowing-beard image of God, because this childhood/childish image is so ludicrous that is makes Christians seem credulous and vapid.  They won’t regard the serious academic theologians in their arguments, preferring instead to attack featherweights like Warren and McLaren.  If you launch your attacks against the most simplistic and superficial thinkers, you are guaranteed of winning every time.  But all this “attack” energy results in debate rather than dialogue, and adversity rather than collaboration.  Outside eyes are needed to raise questions about the failings and weaknesses of religious practice, and God knows (I am still assuming God’s existence…) we need improvement.  Faith can always benefit from the rigors of critical thinking.  If it can’t, then it isn’t worth much to begin with.

But I also realize that not everyone feels this way.  Here is an excerpt from a letter I received this week from a friend in Nashville.  I was her advisor at Vanderbilt University about five years ago when she began her Ph.D. work in genetics.

As you know, I taught a young adult Bible study at <my> United Methodist Church since 2002.  I love the class and the discussion we have and the openness to deal with new and sometimes controversial ideas.  I have always felt safe there.  But when I got my Ph.D. and announced that my intention is to do research in genetic re-engineering, the pastor of the church asked me to step down from teaching my class.  He told me I was sending the wrong message and that he and others in the church are not comfortable allowing someone to teach who is knowingly violating the sanctity of life and disrespecting the will of God.

I am what you called a “religious rationalist.” (A person who holds scientific knowledge and spiritual knowledge in two spheres — the physical and metaphysical — balancing an empirical way of knowing with a trans-rational way of knowing.)  I have found no contradiction between what I have learned in science and what I believe about God.  Certainly my way of believing is not 100% compatible with others in my church, but I am still a Christian, and I am a person of faith when I do my work.  Why can’t I be a person of science when I worship and teach?

Why, indeed.  If we are created in the image of God, then the development of our minds and intellects is holy work.  As stewards of our bodies, minds, and spirits, we should be doing all we can to develop and improve all three.  All three are gifts to us from God, and our faith teaches that God expects that we will employ excellent stewardship of all our gifts.  We should care for our physical bodies.  We should sharpen and improve our minds.  And we should deepen our relationship with the divine and open ourselves to the mysteries of
God.  The good, the beautiful, and the true should be attended equally.  Ethics, philosophy, and science are all equally legitimate pursuits.  To preference one at the expense of the others is self-defeating, and ultimately irrational.

48 responses to “Irrational Rationalization”

  1. larry Avatar
    larry

    It has been so long since I read The Selfish Gene by Professor Dawkins that I may not recall well. Nonetheless, I will take the chance. Near the first part of the book, I believe he makes reference to creatures from outer space remarking about us, how far we have evolved. For this use of this type of “super-natural” just at the beginning of his argument, I never got very far with the book. I am not scientific at all, although recently I did ask my son-in-law who wrote DNA. He is finishing his doctorate at University of Edinburgh in evolutionary biology. He said he’d get back to me. If this seems light, it may be for the perceived reduction in violence here. We are relaxing a bit. Peace,larry

  2. Kelly Avatar
    Kelly

    Thank you SO much for this. It happens to be very timely for me. I just watched Julia Sweeney’s “Letting Go of God,” and some corner of my mind is dreaming up a sermon series – something like “conversations with atheists,” to address some of the very things you write of. Thank you!

  3. Peter Davidson Avatar
    Peter Davidson

    I am right on the edge. It will not take too much more to make me leave the United Methodist Church. My church isn’t serious about discipleship. My church IS racist, no matter how many of its loyal members are in denial. My church is anti-intellectual, no matter how many people say that simple is better. My church wants to endlessly “rethink” itself out of existence. My church lets the least engaged call all the shots. I am so tired of being embarrassed by my church. I know people will say that if I feel this way I should just leave, but I don’t want to. I want my church to be better. If it weren’t for you and the people like you, I would walk away. You give me a little glimmer of hope. If there are people like you in the United Methodist Church, it makes people like me want to stay.

  4. Will Deuel Avatar

    Using the tools of modernity (e.g. Journalistic Integrity, the Scientific Method, Historical Accuracy, etc.) to understand Biblical confessions is a bit like using math to understand poetry. You might pick up some interesting observations and anomalies, but you won’t really get it.

  5. Thomas Morgan Avatar
    Thomas Morgan

    The scientific community is no more forgiving than the religious. I no longer go to any church, but I am a devout Christian. I am a biochemical geneticist, and I personally find more questions than answers the longer I work. In a very real sense, I am a detective in both my career and my faith. I approach the questions raised by each as mysteries. However, in church I am viewed as a threat to faith and in my field I am viewed as naive, and using your term, credulous. I feel feared by the church and mocked by my segment of the scientific community. It has been easiest for me to compartmentalize my life into work and faith. My wife was raised in a non-practising Jewish home, so we seldom talk of matters of faith. I was very sad to leave the church, but find that I don’t much miss it. I do, however, wish I could find other people who share a love for science and a passion for faith. If your young friend ever comes to Palo Alto, have her look me up.

    1. doroteos2 Avatar
      doroteos2

      I wish I better understood the anxiety produced in our churches by men and women with scientific training and expertise. It seldom results in anyone being asked to leave, but it often causes tension and discomfort — on both sides. This may not be overly helpful, but there are a large number of people like you desiring community with others who have no problem integrating their scientific reasoning with their spiritual life. If you have never encountered it, I recommend a wonderful book by Ken Wilber, The Marriage of Sense and Soul. He does a fantastic job navigating the controversies and building bridges between them.

  6. John Meunier Avatar

    Did that pastor have a blanket objection to genetic research and science? I’m confused why someone doing genetic research would be dismissed from Sunday School teaching class.

    Was this a stem cell issue or does this pastor think any genetic engineering at all is objectionable? If so, has he ever eaten any human cultivated food or had a pet dog? We’ve in the genetic engineering business for thousands of years.

    1. doroteos2 Avatar
      doroteos2

      Not wanting to paint with too broad a stroke, a large number of leaders in the church think about “science” the way they think about “dog.” There are as many sciences as there are breeds of dog, but our tendency is to lump them in together. When I was chairing the deomination’s task force on the relationship of science and theology, I remember attending a “lecture” by a very passionate conservative evangelical pastor who made the blanket statement that “science and technology are the greatest threat to Christianity in the 21st century.” This was a man who flew to the conference on a jet, had a pace-maker, took various medications, worked on a laptop, projected his presentation on a screen using an LCD projector, talked incessantly on a cell phone when he wasn’t presenting, and whose grandson’s life had been saved recently through a kidney transplant. What kind of creative editing does a person have to do to reconcile a contempt for science and technology with enjoying the benefits of those which he approved?

      Likewise, I came to understand that there is no relationship between science and theology, but between sciences and theologies. Biologists, geneticists, geologists, and some astronomers have serious problems with a wide variety of religious beliefs. However, brain researchers, physicists, those working with artificial intelligence, astrophysics, etc., are often much more open to possibilities and metaphysics. What we discovered is that — of the segment of people we spoke to and worked with — about 20% of the people working various disciplines of science outright reject religion, about 20% embrace some form of faith, and about 60% have no opinion or at least allow for the possibility of a divine being. Likewise, we only found about 7% of Christians who outright reject scientific explanations of creation, evolution, natural selection, and natural humanism, about 35% who don’t think much about science at all, about 30% who accept that science and religion can be compatible, and about 27% that feel there is no problem reconciling the physical and the metaphysical. Most of the real heat and passion comes from the two extremes, but unfortunately they define the debate for everyone. In The United Methodist Church, there really isn’t a big issue that is purely science versus religion. People still get hot over abortion — but over the ethics, not the science. People still get hot over cloning (and I think that is the source of much of the knee-jerk negativity to ‘genetics’), though we found that most people based their opinions on misinformation and media hoopla, not on actual facts. The evolution-creation “debate” just doesn’t have much steam in United Methodism. I would say the broad, conventional belief of the vast majority of UMs is that the poetic language of the Bible describes that which was beyond the comprehension of pre-modern men and women — that the “week” of creation is metaphorical and represents the millions of years that passed in a blink of God’s eye, and that while God is the source of all that is, God is also the author of natural law which governs all of creation, including the process of evolution through natural selection. The most frequent response we got was along the lines of, “Hey, God’s God. He can do whatever he wants to. So if science proves something, all it says to me is that’s the way God designed it.” Maybe not an elegant reconciliation, but it works for most people.

    2. Janet Beedie Avatar
      Janet Beedie

      I can’t explain what this woman experienced, but I can share my own. I am a Neurophysiologist and an Episcopalian. I thought I was in a fairly liberal church until I taught a class on brain research that “explained” the neuro-chemical processes that occur that result in visions, hallucinations, and what many label “religious” experiences. You would think that I relieved myself on the altar. I got letters, angry phone calls, a visit from the pastor, and when I offered to teach another class, I was politely, but firmly, declined. I never heard it directly, but was told by friends, that some in the church said I was doing the work of the devil. I am glad you are confused by why a person of science wouldn’t be allowed to teach. It shows there is hope yet. But not everyone is as enlightened as you are. (Hi, Dan. We met at Hanover about ten years ago. I see you are keeping up the crusade. Thanks!)

  7. Creed Pogue Avatar
    Creed Pogue

    If someone has no faith in anything and says that they are operating on a completely rational basis, then they are kidding themselves anyway. Why sprinkle our seeds on rocks when there is so much fertile ground that needs attention?

    That is one of my concerns about the focus on “seekers.” There are a number of people who will say they are “United Methodist” or “Methodist” if you ask them what religion they are, but they do not darken the doors of our churches. We should be working on the lowest-hanging fruit first.

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