I received an interesting email from a pastor today who “followed my advice” and raised questions about expectations and accountability in the church.  He asked the “what is the church?” and “what is the church for?” questions, and zeroed in on what our membership vows really mean.  He was shocked when the chair of the church council responded by saying, “well, we don’t have time to talk about this now.  We have church business we need to deal with.”  Later that evening, the chair of SPRC (Staff-Parish Relations Committee) called to schedule an appointment — “We need to talk.  As soon as possible.”  The pastor was surprised early the next morning when the SPRC chair, the Lay Leader, the church Council chair, and the head of Trustees all showed up together.  The conversation went something like this (church leadership in bold; pastor normal type):

We need to know what’s gotten into you?

What do you mean?

This kick you’re on to push; to make us feel bad about not doing enough?

I’m not trying to make anyone feel bad.  I’m just trying to offer people something better.  I want to help people grow in their faith.

Well, that’s fine, but a lot of people are perfectly happy where they are.

I know they are, but that doesn’t mean they should be.

See?  That’s exactly the kind of pressure we’re talking about.  Who are you to judge what kind of Christians people should be?

It’s not a matter of “judging” anyone.  It’s a matter of helping people grow in their faith.

You made a lot of people uncomfortable last night.  You made it sound like we should be doing more.

We SHOULD be doing more!  I brought up the issues for a reason.

But that’s not why people come to this church.  People come here because they know they will be loved and cared for, not judged and made to feel guilty.

Being loved and cared for and becoming faithful disciples are not mutually exclusive.  People should want both.

In your opinion.  None of our previous pastors said any of this stuff.

But it isn’t just my opinion.  It’s in the Bible.  It’s in our Book of Discipline.  I didn’t make this stuff up. 

No, you said you pulled it off the web and we all know how reliable things are you can find online.

You’re kidding, right?  You’re saying because I got the articles off the web that we shouldn’t pay attention to it?  All I raised were three questions: what is the church? what is the church for? and how do we hold people accountable to the promises they made to God and one another.  That’s all.  These are good questions to ask.

But they’re unnecessary.  We’re not trying to be super-Christians.  We’re just normal people who love God and need to know that God loves us.  That’s all.  We don’t need you telling us how we ought to live our faith.  It’s none of your business if we pray or not or read the Bible or even how often we attend church.  You are here to be our pastor, not our conscience.

But I wouldn’t be doing my job if I didn’t preach and teach from the Bible and challenge people to be the best Christians we can be.

Look, you’re young and we want to support you, but you need to be reasonable.  People are busy — we have full lives.  We don’t have time to be saints.  We need you to do your job — lead worship, visit church members, teach confirmation, pray for us, and try to grow the church.  We just don’t need you making things harder than they ought to be.

I don’t know what to say.  You tell me you want me to do my job, but when I do my job you don’t want me to.  This is impossible.  I didn’t do anything wrong last night.  In fact, I did exactly the right thing.

The pastor received a call later in the day from his district superintendent.  Hoping for support, he was irritated to discover that his DS sided with the congregation’s leadership, asking that he “back off.”  The DS told him that he needed to make this appointment work, and that he couldn’t afford to alienate key leadership.  Again, he heard that he needed to be “reasonable.”

What am I missing here?  I was called to ministry.  I am part of a church whose mission is to make disciples, but when I bring up acting like disciples I am told to back off.  If we  can’t even have discussions about what it means to be the church in the church, we’re in big trouble.  Anyway, I just wanted you to know that your “basic” questions are not “simple” questions at all.

This is one of the more dramatic responses I have received, but in no way is it rare or unusual.  Some of our United Methodist churches are held hostage by low expectations, complacency, lack of vision, and a distinct aversion to anything remotely disciple-like.  What are we going to do about it?  When mediocrity becomes the standard, it is only a matter of time until we cease to exist.  No relevancy, no urgency, no commitment = no church.  Unless it is safe and even encouraged to rock the boat, makes some waves, and shake things up, we may be looking for a new church real soon.

124 responses to “Make-No-Wave United Methodist Church”

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  2. Meltone Avatar
    Meltone

    How does one move a church forward without asking the question of who we are as a church in the the light of Holy Scripture? It’s difficult to see how you can nurture a church forward without considering the matter of one’s mission and vision for ministry framed in biblical terms.

    Of course, we must love our folks and be patient with them. A challenge must be issued as well. There are members in our churches ready to move forward in faith to cease the day for Christ Jesus. Many are ahead of the clergy on such matters. They won’t hang around 12 years while we think happy thoughts. In the view of many, we don’t have very much time as a denomination to consider our calling in Christ. The latest estimate was down to 2050. Many local congregations don’t have 12 years to “rethink church.”

    Perhaps we should stop beating this dead horse as some have suggested and admit that something is already dead here. Perhaps them we can move on to “Restoring Methodism” as suggested by James and Molly Scott in their book. Please excuse my impatience here since this discussion has been going on since I was in seminary 40 years ago. We are well past the 12 year mark in seeking to nurture our denomination toward taking The Great Commission seriously.

    Having been negative to this point I will close with some positives.

    1. Through Volunteers in Mission more folks have been involved in hands on mission that every before and giving has been increased in this area. In the process, many lives have been transformed by the witness of God’s Spirit.

    2. Some of our congregations are growing rapidly without compromising the Gospel. We know about Church of the Resurrection of course but there are many others. These congregations have reclaimed the message and faith in Christ that has come to us through our Wesleyan heritage.

    3. Every church no matter how weak includes among the members folks who remain faithful to their calling in Christ. These folks would be encouraged by a denomination that challenged them to reach out in faith. Yes, and every church has folks who attend weekly who are hungry for God and want to experience a congregation moved by God’s Spirit to take radical risks in response to God’s call to transform the world.

    I remain hopeful. God’s will build His Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. God is moving forward. We must move with God if we wish to be a part of His Church.

  3. David Kueker Avatar

    After midnight in 2008, driving the 700 miles home from one of Neil Cole’s Organic Church Planting Greenhouse in Grand Rapids, MI, I realized after 28 years as a full time UMC pastor that it was my calling to be a bivocational organic church planter – to organize an expanding network of missional, disciple making lay leaders working through small groups. So I immediately began to prepare and dedicate myself to this work, and it has been a tremendous blessing, even though I can only do it in the hours after my other work is done.

    My day job? The one I’m most qualified for – the full time pastor of a traditional United Methodist Church. Once I get the sheep comfy – it really doesn’t take that much – there’s lots of flexibility in my schedule to do what I really love: make missional disciples, equip them and turn them loose to change the world.

  4. Jeff Uhler Avatar
    Jeff Uhler

    I’ve often said, “Give me ten folks who have a heart on fire for Christ over 100 who are just ‘good’ church folks. We’ll set the world ablaze!”

  5. Steve Garnaas-Holmes Avatar

    OK, folks, this was all a terrible mistake. When Jesus said, “Follow me,” he meant, “have warm thoughts toward me.” When he said, “Take up your cross” he really meant, “wear little gold crosses.” When he said “Make disciples” he meant “Make a tuna sandwich.” When he said “You shall be my witnesses” he really meant, “Hey, guys, watch this!” And when he said, “Whatever you did to the least of these you did to me”– well, he was just kidding.

    And I might be kidding, but we know churches like this. The problem is, those church members are not complacent; they’re passionately defending their church against a deep threat. That pastor is trying to rob them of the church they love and replace it with something they don’t recognize. They will put HUGE amounts of energy into resisting and sabotaging that. I’m not convinced that we can change whole institutions very often. (Jeff, talk to us! What did you do to get them to “set a new course?”) But we can grow disciples among the individuals who are willing.

    Rather than trying to get the Church or the Council to agree to something, focus your energy on the people who are ready. Pick the ripe ones. (Get to know your people first.) One by one, develop a shepherding relationship with them. Work with them to create a church-within-the-church — or, if the ripe folks aren’t in the church, a church-beyond-the-church. Sure, you might only have six people– but that’s how many passionate disciples you have now! Watch Jesus: he worked with what he had, and let the rest go. Develop a revolutionary cadre. And see what happens….

  6. Jackson Day Avatar
    Jackson Day

    From the information provided, it could appear that the pastor was purely meeting his own need to have a congregation that is “relevant”, and had not had conversations to identify the hungers present in the congregation and how to meet them. I suspect that the very testiness of the leadership testifies to the present of real underlying issues that need to be addressed. Probably, the very things the pastor proposed might address those issues, but the leadership’s anger reflected that he hadn’t done his homework of helping them make the connection.

    1. doroteos2 Avatar
      doroteos2

      Jackson, I’m not sure what assumptions you’re making. He asked questions. Very simple, very basic questions. I agree with you that something is going on, but asking people what our membership vows mean isn’t terribly aggressive, and I am deeply sad that a leader who is trying to help people’s faith be “relevant” is seen as a bad thing…

      1. Jackson Day Avatar
        Jackson Day

        Obviously I wasn’t there, so there are real limits to the assumptions I could make! And the initial questions, very simple, very basic, are questions any pastor can and should ask. It’s at the point where they resisted that my instinct would suggest a different strategy — rather than defending my question and getting into an argument, I’d switch to counseling mode and try to tease out what the problem with the question is — not that I don’t have my own thoughts, but it’s important to get them thinking. As a pastor, whether I’m right is irrelevent; the point is “what does it take for lives to change?” But I wasn’t there; maybe if I had been I would have done something else!

      2. doroteos2 Avatar
        doroteos2

        Thanks for the clarification. Having talked to the pastor by phone to clear his okay for the article, I was overwhelmed by this young pastor’s sense that he was hearing the real hungers of the church leaders — to be left alone, not made to feel guilty, not challenged, but coddled and cared for. As confirmation, I received this from his SPRC chair (who was irritated that my blog “stirred” him up):

        What good does it do to meddle in the affairs of the local church? Putting the blame on the people for the failure of our denomination is unfair. We pay professionals to lead the church; we have no desire to become monks and nuns. The church is here to care for Christians and to remind us all that we are loved by God. Prayer, study, mission projects — these are all forms of works righteousness — fine for some, but not required of all. Please don’t encourage other ministers to adopt your own personal agenda.

        Certainly, this attitude will call for something other than an adversarial response, but I wonder how many of our young clergy (or older clergy, for that matter) have been trained and equipped to address such a mentality?

  7. prayerlogue Avatar

    Why can’t the churches that are apathetic just get the pastors who want to keep the status quo? I think you’d like my current post on http://www.prayerlogue.wordpress.com

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