I received an interesting email from a pastor today who “followed my advice” and raised questions about expectations and accountability in the church.  He asked the “what is the church?” and “what is the church for?” questions, and zeroed in on what our membership vows really mean.  He was shocked when the chair of the church council responded by saying, “well, we don’t have time to talk about this now.  We have church business we need to deal with.”  Later that evening, the chair of SPRC (Staff-Parish Relations Committee) called to schedule an appointment — “We need to talk.  As soon as possible.”  The pastor was surprised early the next morning when the SPRC chair, the Lay Leader, the church Council chair, and the head of Trustees all showed up together.  The conversation went something like this (church leadership in bold; pastor normal type):

We need to know what’s gotten into you?

What do you mean?

This kick you’re on to push; to make us feel bad about not doing enough?

I’m not trying to make anyone feel bad.  I’m just trying to offer people something better.  I want to help people grow in their faith.

Well, that’s fine, but a lot of people are perfectly happy where they are.

I know they are, but that doesn’t mean they should be.

See?  That’s exactly the kind of pressure we’re talking about.  Who are you to judge what kind of Christians people should be?

It’s not a matter of “judging” anyone.  It’s a matter of helping people grow in their faith.

You made a lot of people uncomfortable last night.  You made it sound like we should be doing more.

We SHOULD be doing more!  I brought up the issues for a reason.

But that’s not why people come to this church.  People come here because they know they will be loved and cared for, not judged and made to feel guilty.

Being loved and cared for and becoming faithful disciples are not mutually exclusive.  People should want both.

In your opinion.  None of our previous pastors said any of this stuff.

But it isn’t just my opinion.  It’s in the Bible.  It’s in our Book of Discipline.  I didn’t make this stuff up. 

No, you said you pulled it off the web and we all know how reliable things are you can find online.

You’re kidding, right?  You’re saying because I got the articles off the web that we shouldn’t pay attention to it?  All I raised were three questions: what is the church? what is the church for? and how do we hold people accountable to the promises they made to God and one another.  That’s all.  These are good questions to ask.

But they’re unnecessary.  We’re not trying to be super-Christians.  We’re just normal people who love God and need to know that God loves us.  That’s all.  We don’t need you telling us how we ought to live our faith.  It’s none of your business if we pray or not or read the Bible or even how often we attend church.  You are here to be our pastor, not our conscience.

But I wouldn’t be doing my job if I didn’t preach and teach from the Bible and challenge people to be the best Christians we can be.

Look, you’re young and we want to support you, but you need to be reasonable.  People are busy — we have full lives.  We don’t have time to be saints.  We need you to do your job — lead worship, visit church members, teach confirmation, pray for us, and try to grow the church.  We just don’t need you making things harder than they ought to be.

I don’t know what to say.  You tell me you want me to do my job, but when I do my job you don’t want me to.  This is impossible.  I didn’t do anything wrong last night.  In fact, I did exactly the right thing.

The pastor received a call later in the day from his district superintendent.  Hoping for support, he was irritated to discover that his DS sided with the congregation’s leadership, asking that he “back off.”  The DS told him that he needed to make this appointment work, and that he couldn’t afford to alienate key leadership.  Again, he heard that he needed to be “reasonable.”

What am I missing here?  I was called to ministry.  I am part of a church whose mission is to make disciples, but when I bring up acting like disciples I am told to back off.  If we  can’t even have discussions about what it means to be the church in the church, we’re in big trouble.  Anyway, I just wanted you to know that your “basic” questions are not “simple” questions at all.

This is one of the more dramatic responses I have received, but in no way is it rare or unusual.  Some of our United Methodist churches are held hostage by low expectations, complacency, lack of vision, and a distinct aversion to anything remotely disciple-like.  What are we going to do about it?  When mediocrity becomes the standard, it is only a matter of time until we cease to exist.  No relevancy, no urgency, no commitment = no church.  Unless it is safe and even encouraged to rock the boat, makes some waves, and shake things up, we may be looking for a new church real soon.

124 responses to “Make-No-Wave United Methodist Church”

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  2. John Meunier Avatar
    John Meunier

    I commend the young pastor in this conversation. I would have been tempted to yell or pop someone in the nose.

    I think the attitude of the church leaders in the conversation above is wide spread – if often unstated. It sounds like the kind of thing people used to say to John Wesley all the time.

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  4. Blake Avatar
    Blake

    Interesting problem! The original blog that is..does the paster teach from the Bible or not? But after all the replies I see we have several problems from the music, consumerisim to the ‘me’ generation. The paster is part of the church as is everyone else. Blessed with certain spiritual gifts that others may not possess. The Bible is our guide and each of use are supposed to obey when God leads us in one direction or another. The paster was apparently lead to teach on discipleship where our paster is being lead to teach on grace. Each following the direction God is leading them, but then we have the congregation or other members of the ‘church’, who have the CHOICE to decide whether to follow God’s leading or not. I think it is a travisty the district superintendant does not support teaching from the Bible even when it becomes uncomfortable(I personally am either on the potters wheel being remolded or in the furnace more than basking in the sun), but the superintendant also has a CHOICE to make. I believe the paster needs to obey and follow God’s direction for his teaching and we should embrace the paster’s teaching from the Bible and stop making excuses because it is uncomfortable or hard!

  5. Tony Jarek-Glidden Avatar
    Tony Jarek-Glidden

    cf pages 40-42 of the September-October 2010 issue of The Upper Room

  6. B Roberts Avatar

    I’m just sad that what we’re reading about here is “normal”. Most people in the churches give lip service and get back to their busy, pressured lives: been there, done that. Perhaps it’s one of the perks of being older and ever closer to dealing with my immortality, but I’ve discovered that scripture is exciting. it’s like digging for buried treasure every time I open it and study it. I no longer expect the church to feed me: I’m mature in faith enough to feed myself while enjoying the full fruits of church membership and fellowship. Call me piggish but I can’t get enough! Nothing in this world rivals my interest in the one beyond what we see and know. I am sad for the many in the world who walk hungry and miss the feast of God’s teaching. Once we immerse ourselves in it, the church seems to be a friendlier and gentler foe.

  7. Scared to Speak Avatar
    Scared to Speak

    Much of this starts with our leadership, this bishops. Many of them are there only to get their specific agenda pushed. For some it is homosexuality, for others it is wide open borders. The sooner our “leadership” stops focusing only on theses issues, then we’ll see change. The one truse issue ALL bishops and pastors need to start looking at is the issue of making disciples. Why don’t we get back to Wesley’s theology and realize that change only comes through the efforts of deeply committed Christians. I’m a pastor, but need to change my name here or else I’ll find myself in trouble with my bishop, and isn’t that a sad thing?

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